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Ganapati before Vatapi -1
Our member Karthik has located references in Sangam on Kozhukkattai.

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Ganapati before Vatapi -1
We discussed on this and could not get any evidence before 9th-10th C. And in the current topic, we are considering the evidences in TN.

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Kozhukkattai
Pillayar answered the questions. Somebody Played ganesa pancharatnam of Adisankara ( Adisankara from Kerala , then Chera Country, Tamil speaking,. Sankara is variously dated but even if you take the 9th C,) then Kozhukkattai aka Modakam was in 9th C…

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Kozhukkattai
I am seriously searching. But spl kozhukkattai like " Mukkuruni" in Madurai ( but the moorti was found only during Tirumalai Nayak period), Pillayarpatti did exist but from when is the question. Praying to lord Ganesa to throw some light …

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Stone Vimana of Vikrama Chola period temple lying in ruins
I feel the best thing would be - Government control and toght vigil by heritage enthusiastic. Thiruvidaimaarudur must have been the best of Parantaga temple. In private hands. Entirely renovated and heritage thrown out. An ayyanar temple was built…

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Ganapati before vatapi -3
The inscription is inside the cave. Can any one post the article " Pulli Thantha Pillayar"

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Ganapati before vatapi -3
The main deity is siva who is known as"Thiruveesar" in the later epigraphs. But the entrance to the cave has the Vinayagar panel who is referred as Thesi Vinayagar in the later epigraphs. During the handing over of the temple to Nagarath…

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Ganapati before Vatapi -2
The said version is by Sambandar in valivalam thevaram. It is a tradition that the Thevara Parayanam starts from this song only. There are many versions on the origin of Vinayagar. The version of himbeingborn as an elephant is equally popular as t…

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Ganapati before Vatapi -2
There is also an alternate view on this since sekkizhar mentions that Thirumoolar started his Thirumanthiram with the word "Ondravan" and the vinayagar song might be a later addition but it is doubtful whether any addition is possible in T…

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Ganapati before Vatapi -1
terrakotta image is serial no 5. wait

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Ganapati before Vatapi -1
Friends - before discussing 1 proof, we are going to 4th proof. there is going to be mail 2, mail 3 and pillayarpatti will be 4. As far as layout is considered, till 90 everybody were allowed inside. Now what you see as a hall, there is another ha…

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Ganapati before Vatapi -1
How do you say that there is no Ganapati in TN before Vatapi? Why therre is no discussion on the referred thevaaram? How do you know that Paranjothi fought Vatapi war? what is the proof?

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Ganapati before Vatapi -1
How do you say after Vatapi? Is there any proof that Ganapati came after Vatapi. secondly Murugan is not Alexandaer rather the meaning of the word Alexanderis Skanda the warrior. Thirdly this is not a Murder case where absence of evidence is NOT n…

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Ganapati before Vatapi -1
We will do that defenetly. But Thevaaram of Appar is Mahendra - Narasimha - Pandya Nedumaran period and Sambandar - Narasimha-Nedumaran period. No doubt on that. Now the next question is on Thirumoo;ar period

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Ganapati before Vatapi -1
Pl try to post that.

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Ganapati before Vatapi -1
If Appar refers to Ganapati in Mahendra's period, then defenetly his worship existed as Siva's son much before. Let us first focus on a. Period of Ganapati worship in TN b. Ganapati as Siva's son then will go on who is first?

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Ganapati before Vatapi -1
Dear Karthik There is a strong thinking in Tamilnadu that Ganapati came to Tamilnadu after Vatapi war. But there are a few evidences to show that it is wrong. The referred Thevaaram is one among that. What i am compiling is those details. The sai…

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Biggest Temple in Tamilnadu
Srirangam

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Ganapati before Vatapi -1
We agree that Appar did out live Mahendra Pallava but this particular Thevaaram is datable to Mahendra's change of faith and much before Vatapi ( atleast 30 years minimum. Sambandar also sings Ganapati as Siva's son but i am not consider…

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Ganapati before Vatapi -1
Pl keep discussing. will join in the evening

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Ganapati before Vatapi -1
The reference is - Vinayagar is much before Vatapi and the referred song is much before Vatapi. Sambandar too sings about Vinayagar as Shiva and Parvati's son but again Sambandar can be placed after Vatapi. I was about to ask you on Mahendra&…

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Ganapati before Vatapi -1
referred to a Thevaaram song of Appar refering ganapathi by Appar which can be dated to 30-40 years before the vatapi war.

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Stone Vimana of Vikrama Chola period temple lying in ruins
May be 1118 - typographical error? ulothunga 1 was 1070-1120. Vikrama might have been a coregent ( as usual at kanchi)

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Vairam's Grandpa passes away
Dear Vairam Accept my heart felt condolences. Pray his soul rest in peace. sankar

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cheras
Thanks karthik But still can you all check whether any connections to Indra or Varuna. Sun and Moon manifestation of Agni - So did they consider them as superior to Cholas and Pandyas? May be or Maynot be. I feel there is some missing link. We ne…

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Pallavarayars of Pudukottai
Intrestinly some of Chettinad Villages fall in Pudukkottai Dt.

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[Poetry In Stone|கல்லிலே கலைவண்ணம் கண்டோம்] An amazing bronze of Kalinga mardhana| காளிங்க மர்தனனின்
Dear Vj You might be knowing that a samal paper can pass between the Krishna's foot and kalinga's head.

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Kaviri mainthanai padaitha namathu Venkatesh;s Birthday today
Dear Sir Many many more happy returns of the day.

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சீடை தின்ற கண்ணன்
கடந்த கிருஷ்ணா ஜெயந்தியின்போது பிரசுரிக்கப்பட்ட என் கட்டுரை. இந்த ஆண்டு சற்று விரிவாக எழுதியுள்ளேன். தமிழ் நாட்டில், கண்ணன் பிறந்த நாளில் நாம் செய்யும் பல தின் பண்டங்கள் சற்று மாறுபட்டவை. அதிலும் இந்த சீடை, அப்பம், நாவல் பழம், அக்கா…

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Pali - an unknown town in Chattisgarh
Balu Sir - Please tell us about "Kamboja" in your view? I sit kambodia or place above orissa? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamboja-Pala_Dynasty_of_Bengal

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