I find many members of this group are very dedicated to their study on the History of Cholas, and even arranging organised tours to places of much historical interest in groups to discover many new informations in their study on same.
I can remember one of your members (R.Venkatesh ???)writing in this forum stating the informations given by me (in year 2004)- on Palayilieswarem of Muththaraiyar king, and on Vijayalaya Chola who captured Thanjavur from the Muttharaiyar king and made it his own capital - kindled the interest of a group of people who made a special visit to Narthamalai to read the inscription on the temples therein and to acertain informations pertaining to the above and on Vijayalaya Choliswarem.
With this in mind I thought of few other Projects, which will be of much interest to all of us - if investigated at site, to further our knowledge on Cholas.
(1) Unlike the Thanjavur Rajarajaeswarem the Gangaikonda Cholaeswarem has only a few insriptions which could be read from the temple walls. The outer walls of the former Thiruchchuttru of this temple is no more, and I remember reading somewhere (Madras Gazetteer ???)that a British Engineer during the colonial days have removed many stones from the outer (Thiruchuttru) walls of Gangaikonda Cholaeswarem temple and used it in his construction of a new Kallanai(???) over Kaveri Aru at Thirutchi, and in another book (the title of which I cannot remember),which states some inscriptions are still visible in this structure on the stones used to construct same. It will be a very usefull effort, if we could read these inscriptions that are said to be visible to gather more informations of the period of Rajendra Cholan - 1.
(2) An inscription in Chithambaram temple states that the Chola king Kulothunga Cholan - 1 has installed in the "ethir ambalam" to the Karuvarai (???} a stone shown as "Kaatchi" by the Kamboja king to him. We could investigate whether this stone could be located in situ even today and if so whether it bears any special royal insignia or inscription on same, and to preserve same for historical purposes.
(3) After the victory of Kadarem by Rajendra Cholan - 1 it is said he built a temple named Kadaremkonda Cholaeswarem at Kalavai in Vellore region of Tamil Nadu. This temple bears the modern name as Bhumiswara Temple. One of the inscription in this temple indicates it was earlier known as Kadaremkonda Cholaeswarem. A visit to this temple and the reading of all inscriptions in this temple will provide more light as to who really built it, and also provide a study on the structure and size of this temple - built after Rajendra's conquest of Kadarem of Malaysia.
(4) Likewise after the victory of Sri Vijaya of Sumatra, Indonesia by Rajendra Cholan - 1 it is said he built a temple by the name Vijayamkonda Choliswarem some where close to the present Kadambavanesvara temple at Erumbur (in Chidambaram taluk). An inscription in this temple mentions the Vijayamkondasolisvaram Udaiyar koyil. May be this temple or a temple adjacent to same might have been the former Vijayamkonda Cholisvarem Udaiyar koyil. An at site investigation and study on same will throw more light on this historic temple and on the structure and the size of this temple.
If any enthusiastic historical group ventures in the "at the Site studies" of the above mentioned, it will immensely benefit all members of this group in respect of their studies of the Cholas.
> > (2) An inscription in Chithambaram temple states that the Chola king > Kulothunga Cholan - 1 has installed in the "ethir ambalam" to the > Karuvarai (???} a stone shown as "Kaatchi" by the Kamboja king to him. > We could investigate whether this stone could be located in situ even > today and if so whether it bears any special royal insignia or > inscription on same, and to preserve same for historical purposes. >
Hi sir
i had scanned the relevant portion from SII and placed in our section
2) also checked the reference in - Hultsch E., (Ed) Epigraphia Indica, Vol V, 1889-99, pp 105-106; Ancient Kamboja, People and the Country, 1981, p 10, 333]
(L. 10.) A stone was exhibited by the Kamboja king before the glorious Rajendra- Choladeva* This (stone) was, by order of the lord Rajendra choladeva, placed in front of the shrine of the god who is the lord of Tirucitrambalam, This stone was placed in the upper front row of stones of the hall opposite the shrine.
The first portion of the inscription records donations made to the temple at Chidambaram Tillai, 11, 7 and 9, or Tiruchchirrambalam, 1. 12) by Kundavai Alvar, (the daughter of) rajaraja and yonnger sister of Kulottunga-Chola. She presented the god with a golden easel (1. 3) and a mirror (1. 10) and covered (the roof of) the shrine with gold (L 8), the second portion (11. 10-14) states that a stone which the king of Kamboja had given to rajendra Chola was, by order of the latter, inserted into the wall of a hall in front of the shrine, Of the names mentioned in the preceding paragraph, Kulottunga-Chola, (1, 1 f.) and rajendra chola (11. 10 and 11) refer to the reigning king Kulottunga-Chola I., who is known to hv have originally borne the name Rajendra-Chola (II,) and to have subsequently assumed the name Kulottunga. 4 Rajaraja, the father of Kulothunga's younger sister Kundavai (11, 2 and is identical with the Eastern Chaiukya king Rajaraja I. (A.D. 1022-1063), 5.
I am thankful to you for taking so much of pain to give me informations on the Kaatchi Kallu presented by Kamboja king. Your scanned copy of the Kalvettu from SII (No??)is useful to me as I have only part of the inscription taken from another book but without the year of the inscription. The year of the book is also given in the Rangachariya's Inscriptions of the Madas Presidency, but confirmed by your eye copy - thanks.
As mentioned by me ".... We could investigate whether this stone could be located in situ even today and if so whether it bears any special royal insignia or inscription on same, and to preserve same for historical purposes....."
While thanking you very much for providing the part eye copy of same, if possible - I will be much pleased - if I could have the full eye copy of same for my further study. I donot have the full collection of SII with me and I could not get at the full text of the Inscription with informations given by you in the latter part of your posting.
In the meantime please advice me as to how to post scanned documents in tnis Forum. I have a research article of mine written in Tamil - on a referance in a Tamil text of the medieval period which speaks about Rajendra Chola - 1 and Kulothunga Chola - 1 South-East Asian expedition written many years ago, which presently I have no time to translate in to English and post in this forum. I prefer to scan and post same in this Forum in the Tamil format.
Awaiting your assistance.
Further the references in Rangachariya's book on Inscriptions of the Madras Presidency (Vol - 1,page 105-6, Nos - 615,617 & 618 gives details of the Kadaremkonda Choliswaramudaiya Nayanar temple (present Bhumiswara temple at Kudimallur (Gudimallur - reffered as Malliyur in the inscriptions)at Vellore district near present Kalavai.
Also the details of the references in Rangachariya's book on Inscriptions of the Madras Presidency (Vol - 1,page 152, No - 188 gives details of the Vijayamkondaeswarem (present Kadambavanesvara temple)at Kudimallur (Gudimallur - refered as Malliyur in the inscriptions)at Vellore district near present Kalavai.
It is worth while investigating on other inscriptions in this temple and indentifying the actual Vijayamkonda Choliswarem temple, and also on the Inscriptions on the Kallanai as mentioned by me.
same, > if possible - I will be much pleased - if I could have the full eye > copy of same for my further study. I donot have the full collection of > SII with me and I could not get at the full text of the Inscription > with informations given by you in the latter part of your posting. > > In the meantime please advice me as to how to post scanned documents > in tnis Forum. I have a research article of mine written in Tamil - on > a referance in a Tamil text of the medieval period which speaks about > Rajendra Chola - 1 and Kulothunga Chola - 1 South-East Asian > expedition written many years ago, which presently I have no time to > translate in to English and post in this forum. I prefer to scan and > post same in this Forum in the Tamil format. >
hi sir
It would be a pleasure for us to read yours. you can convert as pdf and add the file in our files section. just go to the browser view of our homepage
click on file section ( u need to have yahoo id and login to upload. else pl send to me or thiru - we can upload on your behalf. thiru can also bookmark it in the mirror site)
for eg, i have uploaded the relevant portion of said inscrption ( sorry it was from EI vol 5) here
perhaps it was the kanauj (Kanyakubja), king who sent it for safety when his kingdom was being attacked by ghazni or ghori(In 1019, the town was sacked by Mahmud of Ghazni and the next few decades were utter chaos) so it was logical that a treasure was sent to the south for safekeeping.
my personal experience with the kampuja stone is as wierd as fiction itself.
i visualised the novel thillaiyil oru kollaikaran based on this stone. i had taken huge liberties using my novelists licence but just before the book was published there came a news that kudavoil balasubramaniam had discovered the stone under a dwaja sthambam in kumbakonam. nothing came out of the discovery but was I scared? vijaykumar was of immense support during those days.....
venketesh
> Your scanned copy of the Kalvettu from SII (No??)is useful to me as I > have only part of the inscription taken from another book but without > the year of the inscription. The year of the book is also given in the > Rangachariya's Inscriptions of the Madas Presidency, but confirmed by > your eye copy - thanks. > > As mentioned by me ".... We could investigate whether this stone could > be located in situ even today and if so whether it bears any special > royal insignia or inscription on same, and to preserve same for > historical purposes....." > > While thanking you very much for providing the part eye copy of same, > if possible - I will be much pleased - if I could have the full eye > copy of same for my further study. I donot have the full collection of > SII with me and I could not get at the full text of the Inscription > with informations given by you in the latter part of your posting. > > In the meantime please advice me as to how to post scanned documents > in tnis Forum. I have a research article of mine written in Tamil - on > a referance in a Tamil text of the medieval period which speaks about > Rajendra Chola - 1 and Kulothunga Chola - 1 South-East Asian > expedition written many years ago, which presently I have no time to > translate in to English and post in this forum. I prefer to scan and > post same in this Forum in the Tamil format. > > Awaiting your assistance. > > Further the references in Rangachariya's book on Inscriptions of the > Madras Presidency (Vol - 1,page 105-6, Nos - 615,617 & 618 gives > details of the Kadaremkonda Choliswaramudaiya Nayanar temple (present > Bhumiswara temple at Kudimallur (Gudimallur - reffered as Malliyur in > the inscriptions)at Vellore district near present Kalavai. > > Also the details of the references in Rangachariya's book on > Inscriptions of the Madras Presidency (Vol - 1,page 152, No - 188 > gives details of the Vijayamkondaeswarem (present Kadambavanesvara > temple)at Kudimallur (Gudimallur - refered as Malliyur in the > inscriptions)at Vellore district near present Kalavai. > > It is worth while investigating on other inscriptions in this temple > and indentifying the actual Vijayamkonda Choliswarem temple, and also > on the Inscriptions on the Kallanai as mentioned by me. > > Thanks > > Regards > > Anbudan - Virarajendra. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> i had taken huge liberties using my novelists licence but just before > the book was published there came a news that kudavoil > balasubramaniam had discovered the stone under a dwaja sthambam in > kumbakonam. > nothing came out of the discovery but was I scared?
hi venkatesh
Yes, that was tension filled. But K'balu sir's find was more a sculpture - of that of an ankorian sytled lion. dont think our kings would call a sculpture as kallu ( stone). it was defn some kind of special stone that was shown to the chola king - kaatchiyaaga kattina kallu.
Could you very kindly enlighten me as to how Kudavayil Balasubramaniyan come to the conclusion that the Kamboja Rajan - Kaatchikkallu came to be under a dwaja sthambam in Darasuram in Kumbakonam, from its original situ in Chithambaram Temple. I am very much interested in knowing same. Please assist.
==============> > Could you very kindly enlighten me as to how Kudavayil > Balasubramaniyan come to the conclusion that the Kamboja Rajan - > Kaatchikkallu came to be under a dwaja sthambam in > Darasuram in Kumbakonam, from its original situ in Chithambaram > Temple. I am very much interested in knowing same. Please assist. >
I have a research article of mine written in Tamil - on a referance in a Tamil text of the medieval period which speaks about Rajendra Chola - 1 and Kulothunga Chola - 1 South-East Asian expedition - written many years ago,which presently I have no time to translate in to English and post in this forum. I prefer to scan and post same in this Forum - in the same Tamil format.
> Could you very kindly enlighten me as to how Kudavayil > Balasubramaniyan come to the conclusion that the Kamboja Rajan - > Kaatchikkallu came to be under a dwaja sthambam in > Darasuram in Kumbakonam,
original central temple at chidambaram was razed to the ground by malik kafur in 1312-1313 and again in 1320 by ulugh khan
the stone must have been lost forever in the debris
kudavayil -----kamboja was perhaps interpretted as kampuchea and as vijay says a far eastern type of sculpture in darasuram made him make that guess. most propably was kannauj.