Historical records - the charm of dwelling into the past
  • Over the course of lot of these discussions on historical records
    and their availability - we are talking of 7th C and 10th C stuff
    here....below is an account of what happened much much nearer..how
    much do we know about it...

    I was reading through the online edition of the hindu couple of
    weeks ago and chanced on this interesting link - its on the border
    dispute between india and pakistan ....check out the quality of
    response from the baroness of belgium

    this is the initial letter from the ambassador

    http://www.hindu.com/nic/ambassadorletter.pdf

    and the gem from the baroness

    http://www.hindu.com/nic/baronessresponse.pdf

    I am reminded of one of my fav books - Freedom at midnight and a few
    things which we do not get to see in our history books

    Freedom at Midnight is a book by Dominique Lapierre and Larry
    Collins. It describes the events in the Indian independence movement
    in 1947-48, beginning with the appointment of Lord Mountbatten as
    the last viceroy of British India, and ending with the death and
    funeral of Mahatma Gandhi. this book contains a lot of bare ( gory)
    facts - and makes you look at a lot of our father figures in new
    light ( incl the mahatma, nehru, patel). there are also interesting
    accounts of Jinnah...incidentally this book is banned in pakisthan...

    The authors having interviewed many of those who were there,
    including Lord Mountbatten, the book gives a detailed account of the
    last year of British India, the princely states' reactions to
    independence, the partition of India and Pakistan, and the bloodshed
    that followed. It also covers the events leading to the
    assassination of Mahatma Gandhi. The book is a result of deeply
    scanned and researched events which often are left out by the
    historians. The maps of India and Pakistan were drawn on religious
    grounds by a man named Cyril Radcliffe who had never visited India
    in his life. The book also explains the fury of both Hindus and
    Muslims, misled by their communal leaders, during the partition and
    the biggest mass slaughter in the history of India - more people
    lost their lives in this painful year than the two world wars put
    together...


    why i quote this book is that,the letter of assession and the
    situation leading to raja Hari singh signing it are clearly outlined
    in the book...

    The Raja did not want to accede either to india or to pakisthan but
    wanted to remain independant. Pakisthan wanted to get kashmir by
    force - but couldnt afford an outright war - hence they covertly
    armed afridis ( mujahideen??)from the north west frontier province
    and let them a free hand to ran sack kashmir and thereby intimidate
    the king to accede to pakisthan....they were successful and the band
    of gun men were just a few miles from the only servicable airport in
    srinagar ......

    Lord mountbatten refused to send troops into kashmir till the king
    signed the assession - Mr. menon meets with the king takes the
    signed copy an flies back to delhi late evening( no night flights
    those days)...the raja goes to sleep telling his aide not to wake
    him up if indian army doesnt arrive by day break and instead shoot
    him in his sleep.....

    the gunmen are hours away from securing the airport when they come
    across a christian mission with 13 foreign nuns and spend the night
    committing .......and fail to reach the airport...

    indian air force plane lands in srinagar at 4.45 am and are
    successfull in beating back the gunmen.....thus kashmir came to
    india. go back and read the letter from Raja Hari singh now

    http://www.hindu.com/nic/baronessresponse.pdf

    this happened on 26th Oct 1947. How many of us are aware of these,
    in this age of advanced information exchange... makes you look back
    at the copper grants and culverts with new respect...

    vj
  • http://www.hindu.com/2007/07/18/stories/2007071862131300.htm

    Pamela Mountbatten on the Jawaharlal-Edwina relationship

    ...In your book you write: “my mother had already had lovers, my
    father was inured to it” but then you add, “the relationship with
    Nehru remained platonic.” Can you be really sure of that?

    ...Much of this friendship and affection, much of this relationship,
    actually lived its way in the letters they wrote each other. You
    reveal in your book that Pandit Nehru wrote to your mother
    practically every night at 2 o’ clock.

    ..There is another aspect of this relationship that you refer to in
    your book. You say that the Edwina-Nehru relationship was also of
    use to your father as Viceroy. That he often appealed to Panditji
    through the influence your mother had. And that this was
    particularly useful handling tricky situations like Kashmir.
  • ...a lure of a simple spice led us into bondage. the deeds of a few
    great men and millions of unnamed behind them led us out of it. Let
    not their efforts be in vain, even if you dont remember each and
    every one of them, you owe them a reward for their efforts, for
    their supreme sacrifices- hold your head high with pride - march
    ahead to where we belong...on top of the world... Happy Independance
    Day.
  • hi sir,

    the linkto the audio file:

    http://www.harappa.com/sounds/nehru.html

    text of the speech


    Long years ago we made a tryst with destiny, and now the time comes
    when we shall redeem our pledge, not wholly or in full measure, but
    very substantially. At the stroke of the midnight hour, when the
    world sleeps, India will awake to life and freedom. A moment comes,
    which comes but rarely in history, when we step out from the old to
    the new, when an age ends, and when the soul of the nation, long
    suppressed, finds utterance. It is fitting that at this solemn
    moment we take the pledge of dedication to the service of India and
    her people and to the still larger cause of humanity.


    At the dawn of history India started on her unending quest, and
    trackless centuries are filled with her striving and the grandeur of
    her success and her failures. Through good and ill fortune alike she
    has never lost sight of that quest or forgotten the ideals which
    gave her strength. We end today a period of ill fortune and India
    discovers herself again. The achievement we celebrate today is but a
    step, an opening of opportunity, to the greater triumphs and
    achievements that await us. Are we brave enough and wise enough to
    grasp this opportunity and accept the challenge of the future?


    Freedom and power bring responsibility. The responsibility rests
    upon this Assembly, a sovereign body representing the sovereign
    people of India. Before the birth of freedom we have endured all the
    pains of labour and our hearts are heavy with the memory of the
    sorrow. Some of those pains continue even now. Nevertheless, the
    past is over and it is the future that beckons to us now.


    That future is not one of ease or resting but of incessant striving
    so that we might fulfil the pledges we have so often taken and the
    one we shall take today. The service of India means the service of
    the millions who suffer. It means the ending of poverty and
    ignorance and disease and inequality of opportunity. The ambition of
    the greatest man of our generation has been to wipe every tear from
    every eye. That may be beyond us, but as long as there are tears and
    suffering, so long our work will not be over.


    And so we have to labour and to work, and work hard to give reality
    to our dreams. Those dreams are for India, but they are also for the
    world, for all the nations and peoples are too closely knit together
    today for any one of them to imagine that it can live apart. Peace
    has been said to be indivisible; so is freedom, so is prosperity
    now, and so also a disaster in this One World that can no longer be
    split into isolated fragments.


    To the people of India, whose representatives we are, we make an
    appeal to join us with faith and confidence in this great adventure.
    This is no time for petty and destructive criticism, no time for ill
    will or blaming others. We have to build the noble mansion of free
    India where all her children may dwell.


    I beg to move, Sir, that it be resolved that:


    (I) After the last stroke of midnight, all members of the
    Constituent Assembly present on this occasion do take the following
    pledge: 'At this solemn moment when the people of India, through
    suffering and sacrifice, have secured freedom, I, ..., a member of
    the Constituent Assembly of India, do dedicate myself in all
    humility to the service of India and her people to the end that this
    ancient land attain her rightful place in the world and make her
    full and willing contribution to the promotion of world peace and
    the welfare of mankind';


    (2) Members who are not present on this occasion do take the pledge
    (with such verbal changes as the President may prescribe) at the
    time they next attend a session of the Assembly.
  • Hi
    I visited the Roja muthiah library today to do some research on
    pudukottai.
    there was this book called "The Pudukkottai State Manual " published
    by the brihadamba state press of kingdom of pudukottai.

    to my great joy i discovered that the book had been presented to K.A.
    Nilakanta sastri by the author and Sastri himself had written his
    name in the first page.
    perhaps it came to RMRL from sastri's private collection

    venketesh
  • Do you know why we got freedom at midnight? 15th August alright, but why did
    it have to be the stroke of midnight? It never stuck me as odd - but after
    all, Pakistan got its freedom during daylight! why should our independence
    be gotten at midnight?

    I didnt realize the difference until I got a gleaning from today's 'The
    Hindu'

    Interesting bit of new taken from today's hindu (
    http://www.hindu.com/af/india60/stories/2007081551020400.htm) for your
    reading:

    The British Government had decided that the transfer of power to India, as
    represented by the Constituent Assembly should take place on the 15th of
    August. The British do not consult astrologers when they take political
    decisions, but there were quite a few eminent personages in Delhi who
    believed (many of them still do) in the effect of stellar combinations on
    human affairs and some of them began consulting astrologers as to whether
    the 15th was an auspicious day for the occasion. The advice was that it was
    not; a far more auspicious day was the 14th. But this was the day fixed for
    the renunciation of British authority over Pakistan and in fact, Lord
    Mountbatten, the Viceroy, was in Karachi that morning formally to announce
    the transfer of power to that country and he flew back to Delhi the same
    afternoon. A solution for the problem was discovered, to the best of my
    recollection, by the agile brain of Sardar K. M. Panikkar, a brilliant
    writer of history in the English language, a scholar in Malayalam, also a
    deep student of the more recondite features of Hindu religion, and withal a
    great wit. He said he had discovered a formula which would appease the stars
    as well as make it unnecessary for the British government to change the date
    which had been announced in Parliament. The members of the Constituent
    Assembly would meet on the 14th, about half-an-hour or so before midnight;
    this would propitiate the stars. They would, however, take the oath of
    allegiance to Free India after the stroke of midnight which, according to
    British recognition, would be the 15th. Everybody seemed satisfied and
    arrangements were made accordingly.
  • Hi,

    This is true - this is also the reason why Pakistan got theirs on
    14th - a day ahead of us.

    You can read more on these and why the exact date was picked by
    Mountbatten in the book Freedom at midnight - when the viceroy took
    charge with a specific agenda by the crown to go ahead with the
    release of india, he got questioned on when he would handover
    charge ...and he gave the first date that came to his mind - the day
    where he scored his major success against the invading japanese
    forces - during his tenure as the commander of the british forces in
    the far east - which he thought was his favorite month/day.

    There is speculation to this day as to if the viceroy did this is
    haste - the famous Mountbatten Plan was drafted and the actual
    division between the two new dominions was taken on 3rd June.The
    border between India and Pakistan was determined by Sir Cyril
    Radcliffe, who had very little time to survey the actual land border
    to assess the physical boundries - dykes, lakes and canals etc. He
    had to depend on outdated land records and instead of the clinical
    strike of a surgeons scalpel - he used a butchers strike to cut
    through...

    But more startling facts are revealed in the book, that Md Jinnah
    was ailing from acute TB ( having very little time left to live) and
    this information was kept secret even from the british secret
    service...Mountbatten himself stated later that had he known of
    this,he might have delayed the partition and ......


    More startling facts the assassination of mahatma and how the
    investigations preceeding the actual shooting and the laxity of the
    government/police machinery and dealt with in graphical detail in
    this book - a must read. not for the faint hearted.
  • Indians predated Newton 'discovery' by 250
    > years

    http://www.physorg.com/news106238636.html
    interesting

    Independence day Greetings to all
    Shobha
  • repostng an old thread
    Re: Tamils and science... a query


    append below are a few things which we already knew - some are
    credited to westerners **- trust there were not patent suits then??

    Zero (Sooniya) Pingalacharya-Chanda Sastra- 200 B.C.E 900 C.E

    ** Pythagorus Theorem. Boudhayana Sulbasutra 700 B.C.E 500 B.C.E.

    ** Taylor Series ofSine and cosine? Nilakanta-Tantra Sangraha 1444
    C.E 1685 C.E.

    ** InterpolationFormula Govindaswami- Mahabhaskareya 800 C.E Newton-
    Gauss-1670 C.E

    ** Power Series Somayaji-Karanapaddhati1450 C.E. Newton-1660 C.E.

    ** Lhuilers Formula Patameswara-commentary on Lilavathi-1360 C.E.
    Lhuiler- 1782 C.E.

    ** Gregorys Series for Inverse Tangents Madhava- Yukti Bhaha1350
    C.E. 1632 C.E.

    ** Lebnitz Power Series Somayaji- Karanapaddhati ?1450 C.E. 1673
    C.E.

    ** Earths Gravity Bhaskara-Siddhanta Siromany-1114 C.E Newton- 1666
    C.E.

    ** Heliocentric system Aryabhata- 520 C.E. Copernicus- 1520 C.E.

    ** Backward Interpolation Vateswara 904 C.E. Newton-Gauss-1670 C.E.

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