Ponniyin Selvan Varalaatru Peravai

Dear Venkatesans,

As directed by Moderator R Venkatesan, I wind up discussion on this
subject.

The undermentioned post was prior to reading his directive..

S U B H A M ...

sps


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> > > SPS Sir,
> > > Please note the word "siRu deivam" referring to Govindarajar.
> The
> > > same Govindarajar was glorified by the Azhwar as DevAdhi
Devan.
> ================
>
> Dear V. Venkatesh,
>
> Please answer this simple question ::
>
> In which Ancient Literature it is mentioned that the presiding
deity
> is named as GOVINDARAJAR in Chitrakudam - Chidambaram.
>
> To find more details, I just skimmed through 108 Divya Desangal by
> Karaikkudi based Vishnava Siddhantha Noorpadhipu kazhagam -
Ethijan.
>
>
> He quotes :
>
> Siru + Ambalam = Chithambaram !
>
> Whereas most of us know that " THE KOIL " is Srirangam for
> Vaishnavites and CHIDAMBARAM for Saivaites...
>
> Chith (Chitham - Determination in Mind ) which itself a Temple is
> the root word.
>
> Pls read quotes on CONCEPT OF SIVA (By Dr. Nagaswamy) posted by me
a
> year back in the Archieves.
>
> Also pls read Jagasirpiyan fiction.
>
> The Chidambaram temple is a CONCEPT temple :
>
> With number of bones,
> number of breathes (nails ) ,
> number of veins (cross beams )etc.,
>
> Karbagraham like heart
> with an inlet / outlet etc...
> depicting human body ..
> in which Moolasthanam (Moolattanar - Appar hymned in 7th AD) is
Chit-
> Ambalam - which LINGAM is supposedly erected on the JEEVA SAMADHI
of
> Thirumoolar - who is reportedly hymned 1 Stanza one year for 3000
> years - which later became to be known as Thirumandhiram ! Which
is
> Devine Manthra for the Tamil World.
>
> In that Hall Adhiseshan is reportedly gave details on Mahabashyam
> behind a curtain and a lonely student (with others cutting the
> class) when opened the curtain got perished ..
>
> Pls read my quote on " AJABA " in the Archieves..
>
> Jaba .. repeatedly chanting / adopting with effort.
>
> A+Jaba : Spontaneous :: without effort
>
> Over the heart of Sriman Narayan Nataraja is positioned .. and HIS
> MOVEMENTS - SPONTANEOUS AND EFFORTLESS SYNCRONISING WITH SRIMAN
> NARAYAN'S BREATHE - IS A DANCE KNOWN AS " AJABA" . When you come
> out of Thiruvarur Temple Sanctum (East facing, So southern exit),
on
> the South facing wall - you will find the pictorial depiction of
> this.
>
> Our respected member Kathie has rightly put - Saivism and
> Vaishanavism are intertwined in weaving the lovely Hindusim fabric.
>
> When a Scholar of Dr. Nagaswamy's stature is referring
Ottakothar's
> statement as NIRMALYAM, we have to bring this into open.
>
> When another Scholar SR Balasubramanian observes after discussing
in
> detail that Kulothunga I & St Ramanujar's rift was without
evidence
> that also has to be brought out ..
>
>
> If we think a Sculpture of present Govindaraja's magnitude is
> identified as " Siru Deivam " by Ottakoothar then he has erred..
>
> But if Krishnas with almost 10 leelas, Ulagalandan, sitting vishnu
+
> 2 Devis, standing Rama (Sri Rama was never alone without Sita +
> Lakshman + Hanuman atleast) with " ARAVANAIYIL KIDANTHAN " as
could
> be seen from 7th Century hymns, I leave it you to name this entity
> whether could have been as bigger as of present Sculpture..
>
> And in the entire Discussion the CURCIAL WORD CHITRA (picture) IS
> NOT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION !
>
> We are all talking of Sculptures !!!
>
> I earlier concluded that Kulothunga II in his 18 years span has
> contributed only to 5 temples including chidambaram + Srirangam.
>
> Please read on Kulothunga II.
>
> His officials behaved with (Independent) Authority..
>
> And Poet would have been more loyal than the King in certain
issues..
>
> anbudan / sps
> -----------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
> So
> > > the fact that Ottakoothar has reflected the thoughts of
> Kulothunga
> > II
> > > that he considered the Vishnu as "siRu dheivam" speaks of his
> > lesser
> > > reverence for anyone other than Siva.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Hi venkatesh
> >
> > Can you see the Urdhava thandavam sculpture of perur in the
above
> > link
> >
> > http://www.hindu.com/fr/2005/05/27/stories/2005052700390300.htm
> >
> > this sculpture is true to rendition of the dance form...( had
> posted
> > an extract of the book on Nataraja by C. Sivaramoorthi
earlier....
> > quoting the same at the end of the post)
> >
> > Now brahma is shown with the chai chak sorry jalra ( opps sorry -

> > ithukku per ennappa )....and vishnu is playing the drum. Now you
> > cannot fault the sculpture /artist....for he is following the
> > dicition ( watch the size of paravati in the entire
composition) -
> > interesting to note the the dwarf muhilagan's size in comparison
> to
> > vishnu, brahma and parvathi...
> >
> > now coming back to ottakutthar verse - in the context of this
> > sculptural composition mal siru deivam thane....
> >
> > rgds
> > vj
> >
> > As Siva commences his dance in the evening. Ratnakara imagines,
in
> > the
> > loftiest terms the sun and moons as the cymbals used by the
> goddess
> > of
> > prosperity herself for tala and laya, the most important in the
> > nritta
> > aspect of dance. At the commencement of dance by Siva at dusk,
with
> > the sun disc setting near the astagiri and the full moon
emerging
> > into
> > light from his locks, it seems to make the celestial goddess of
> > prosperity hold as it were these two as cymbals for the Lord's
> > musical
> > orchestra:
> > astavalambiravibimbitayodayadsrichudonmishatsakalachandrataya
> > cha sayam sandhyapranrittaharavadyagrihitakamsyataladvayeva
> > samalakshyata nakalakshmih (Haravijya 19.5).
> >
> > This exacting musical orchestra, the vina played by the Lady of
> > music,
> > Sarasvati herself, the flute by Indra who excels, Brahma keeping
> time
> > and Vishnu himself sounding the drum, is because Siva himself is
an
> > adept in all the musical instruments. In the Sivasahasranama,
> there
> > is
> > an elaboration of his mus