british and indian history
  • Hi

    I know this topic is going to raise a hell but surely we cant shy
    away from discusing it.

    the question placed before the group is was there a determined effort
    by the british to hide, distort, or destroy evidences of indian
    antiquity
    or

    did the british actually help unravel secrets of our past and help
    formulate indian history


    i request people to provide ample evidences to their statements and
    not make generalised statements.
  • Good topic Venkatesh.

    We should definitely credit the Brits for whatever they have done to
    our history. ASI was formulated by them, without which we would have
    lost many of our treasure. Whatever history we have today is only
    because of the brits. I dont think there is any breakthrough change in
    Indian history post Independence. So without them we would probably
    not have even the history we have today. we shoudl thank and give due
    credit to them.

    BUT.....

    We also should accept that they or rather the Europeans did their best
    to distort the basics as much as possible. Maybe the AD history of
    India has not much of distortion,but surely the BC part had hidden
    agenda. The greatest distortion by them is the AIT which is totally
    baseless and purely a theory and the result of whcih we are still reaping.
  • The greatest distortion by them is the AIT which is totally
    > baseless and purely a theory and the result of whcih we are still
    reaping.

    the "aryan invasion theory" is what you mean. we certainly would
    discuss that. arun krishnan can certainly help us with latest studies
    on genetic mapping.

    this discussion should certainly be incoprporated into the archives.
    so i request eveyone to participate.

    venketesh
  • AIT is proposed by a German (Max Muller) if i am not wrong. Also, I
    think AIT was only never came out of literary/debate circle to gain a
    momentum. Even Swami Vivekananda dismissed the theory in a singe
    sentence, that there is no evidence to it.
  • Dear Satish and Venkat,

    The COLOUR GLASS through which the CLEAR HISTORY is looked into - is
    applicable NOT ONLY TO THE BRITISH (FOREIGN) HISTORIANS but also to
    Indian (With various Regional / linguistic affliations) Historians.

    I assume Individual Historian's view cannot be and need not be taken
    as that of the view of his Nation - unless it is pronounced so by the
    Power.

    Re A I T discussions there are links in our Archieves already.

    Views on History is changing from time to time depending on new facts
    coming to light and innovative interpretations.

    We shall remind ourselves that our views are open for scrutiny by the
    Web-world.

    And we will ensure that our views will not affect the harmony we
    created in this Group so far.

    sps


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  • Dear Friends,

    Introduction to South Indian Inscriptions.

    following link may help.

    http://www.whatisindia.com/inscriptions/

    sps
  • Hi SPS

    the european archeoloist was an independent creature. at least in
    india they were funded by the government . in egypt( remember carter
    and carnavaron and king tut's tomb) they arranged their own funds.
    agatha christie gives a fascinating account of her hubands career in
    iraq.

    archeologists hugely refrained themselves from making judgements.
    contreversies arise out of armchair theories.

    linking the rest of civilisation to the indian caused the first aryan
    migration theories.

    theories were put up many on the linguistic connections.
    the capital of sumer is called UR. still lots of asian cities end
    with the sylable UR, mylapore, lahore, singapore kulalampur

    one theory i particulary like it the comparison of names or gods and
    demon in hindu and persian antiquity.

    deva was god in hindu demon in persian
    asura demon in hindu and ahura god in persian

    i am sure many of these tests will not stand in time.

    venketesh





    > Dear Satish and Venkat,
    >
    > The COLOUR GLASS through which the CLEAR HISTORY is looked into -
    is
    > applicable NOT ONLY TO THE BRITISH (FOREIGN) HISTORIANS but also
    to
    > Indian (With various Regional / linguistic affliations) Historians.
    >
    > I assume Individual Historian's view cannot be and need not be
    taken
    > as that of the view of his Nation - unless it is pronounced so by
    the
    > Power.
    >
    > Re A I T discussions there are links in our Archieves already.
    >
    > Views on History is changing from time to time depending on new
    facts
    > coming to light and innovative interpretations.
    >
    > We shall remind ourselves that our views are open for scrutiny by
    the
    > Web-world.
    >
    > And we will ensure that our views will not affect the harmony we
    > created in this Group so far.
    >
    > sps
    >
    >
    > ===========
    >
  • Dear Venkat,

    That also reminds me of Irwing Wallace's THE BOOK - the Second Bible -
    which was supposedly planted by an Archeologist !

    sps
  • Dear SPS
    Thank you
    I though I had read all the walllace's books but now have to read this one
    Sri
  • Dear Satish,
    Yes, let's give at least a little praise to Brit egotists
    like Curzon and Cunningham. At least they recognized
    the magnificent quality of the culture
    of India ! They were British chauvinists, but knew 'class'
    when they saw it.
    How methodical they were, exploring every mile of
    then-British India. Please, never think that I
    have any 'axe to grind'. I love Indian culture, as you know,
    and will do all in my power to preserve its finest examples
    unfortunatly, only now really revere up to 10th C.Indian art
    & architecture. [ I think it lost most of it's 'prana' after that. ]
    Kathie

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