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  • Dear SPS,

    I had read about 4-5 of Erich von Deniken's books quite a while back.
    INcidentally I think he is thought of as some sort of a crackpot by the
    intelligentia in the US. I think Carl Sagan wrote some sort of refutation of
    his ideas. Also, there was this other gentleman called Velikovsky who
    claimed that the "parting of the red sea" mentioned in the Bible occured
    because Venus, which was supposedly a part of Jupiter, was torn apart and
    made its way past earth to an inner orbit. Carl Sagan also refuted his
    claims.
  • I would rather say, Tamils are second to none, in any field.
  • Dear SPS
    always ahead of the youngsters as always...You just took the words out of my mouth that was a glorifying statement about our heritage
    But was Adithan not Rajakesari
    I have a feeling he was I may be wrong
  • Sir,

    kalki is very much interested in fine arts and more so
    in baratham .music and paintings, that is why ss took
    more time to incubate.
    This all marattam is very popular in movies those
    days, to be moreinterestting he might have added that
    sowmya
  • Dear SPS,

    I think that we the ancients were not as dumb as we moderns seem to think
    they were. They were quite well developed at least in mathematics and also
    in medicine (eg Susruta's works on surgery etc). I think they were fairly
    good chemists too but I don't believe they were anything more than that.
    That is of course the rational side of me talking.

    The romantic side would of course want to acknowledge that all the Gods were
    extraterrestrial aliens who visited the earth :)
  • Dear SPS,

    I think that the ancients were not as dumb as we moderns seem to think they
    were. They were quite well developed at least in mathematics and also in
    medicine (eg Susruta's works on surgery etc). I think they were fairly good
    chemists too but I don't believe they were anything more than that. That is
    of course the rational side of me talking.

    The romantic side would of course want to acknowledge that all the Gods were
    extraterrestrial aliens who visited the earth :)
  • Dear Arun,

    Our ancient people were more than anything than what we think them to
    be. Today we claim that current day people are great because of the
    technological advancement. We only have technology today, and our
    ancient people didnt had ONLY technology then. Otherwise they had
    everything, what we cant even imagine today. Go through this link.
    Not sure about its authencity, but its quite convincing.

    http://www.lost-civilizations.net/flying-vehicles-ancient-egypt.html

    We have mention about pushpaka vimanam in Ramayanam, but we civilized
    people think its fiction. Somebody said after 100 years people will
    say that, people in 2005 were great. Yes thats for sure,because human
    race is detoriating day by day. Today 1000 AD (RR's era) is golden,
    in 3000, 2005 will be golden.I would say even a decade makes a lot of
    difference. 19th Century gave great poets like Barathiyar and great
    writers like Kalki. Can we compare anyone of todays writers or poets
    with them? As maha Periyava of kanchi said, as Technology advances,
    humanity detoriates.

    Satish
  • Dear Satish,

    Don't compare always. Don't counter, that only by comparing we can improve.

    it is not advisable to compare greats. There are people who are great even today. Butt he thing is that the greatness would not be accepted when the person is alive. Only when he is no more people realise any person's contribution.

    When Bharathiyar was alive, he was called as "Paithiyam". My Grandfather who had seen Bharathiyar in the streets of Thiruvallikeni, used to say so. Now we call him Maha purushan and all those things and the poor fellow's funeral was attended only by a handful of people.

    So don't come to a conclusion every now and then , saying today's world is not as good as what it used to be sometime back.

    Also whatever Mahaperiyava said may not be true always. It is said that He did not want to meet a widowed mother of a devotee , because it was considered inauspicious to meet a widow( this is hearsay only, not sure how fat it is true)

    With Regards

    B. Dhiwakar
  • Dear Satish,

    Just cos HG Wells wrote about the time machine, doesn't mean it existed at
    that time. Similarly, just because Valmiki mentioned the Pushpaka Vimanam is
    NO proof of the existence of a flying contraption at that or any other time.
    The ancients all had vivid imaginations and yes, I think manking has been
    dreaming of flying for ages and ages now. Valimiki's was just one such
    dream. We can't really take literal interpretations of old texts. I am sure
    you will agree that heck Lord Hanuman could NOT have jumped across the palk
    Straits to reach Lanka. The poet in Valimiki was just painting a picture for
    us IMHO.
  • Raja Sefoji, is belived to have written a book in this regard.

    He had started mentioning about Pushpaka Vimaanam, and had stopped mentioning more about it, mentioning, this will cause more harm than good.

    I will soon get you the book name. May be, it is available in Sarasvati Mahal.


    Rajendhra Cholan!
  • Dear Satish,SPS and Arun
    very nice link but I havent had a chance to read it all

    Till the papyrus were discovered most westerners thought the pyramids were built by aliens

    Till the right scriptures were found nobody thought transplant was possible yet Susratha did it ...

    Just because we dont have evidence in todays situation or evidence has perished doesnt maen it may not have existed...
  • Dear SPS and Sri,

    Thanks for your supporting mails. I feel, its belief, if you belive
    its true, if you dont its false. Most of our people are not ready to
    belive.

    Arun,

    things which I belive and you dont. Lets come to something concrete.
    Today we have great advancements in all fields. Construction has
    reached unimaginable heights. Tunnels are build under sea, sky
    scappers all aroud, great technologies to aid such constructions,
    space ships being built etc. etc. But even today, even the top
    architects of the world could ot find out how the Tanjai periya koil
    was built. I am not saying this, but Dr.Kkvan himself said this. He
    himself have personally brought in top architects from all over the
    world, everyone admired the construction, but no one could tell how
    it was built. What all these tech. developments we have today be of
    use, when we cant find out how things were done 1000 years back. And
    we call that our ancestors are not so great as we think.

    "oru panai sotrukku oru soru patham". oru soru pothuma ennum koncham
    venuma...

    Satish
  • Dear Satish,

    You got me wrong. I never said that our ancestors wereńt great. At the same
    time I am against attributing most/all scientific advances/knowledge to the
    ancients. Sure they were good engineers and like I said their mathematical
    skills were very advanced but I am against the ´´ Oh Arjuna used the
    Brahmastra which could cause universal destruction and hence we can conclude
    that the ancients knew about nuclear weapons since the Brahmastra really was
    a nuke ´ Hope you see where I am coming from.

    As to your point regarding the periya kovil, I agree. It is amazing to think
    that they built that over a 1000 years ago without the help of modern
    architectural equipment. Simply amazing.
  • Again my friend, its upto one to belive. As SPS said, since we dont
    have the proof, we cant say it never existed. Whatever mankind has
    invented or discovered, everything was already there but it only took
    time for them to identify it. So there is every chance that the ancient
    people did find out nukes and threatended the world. You dont belive, I
    do. I have heard that there is great descriptions about Pashupatastra
    in our ancient scriptures(not sure which one).

    Leaving apart everything, our ancestors knew how to live like a Human
    being. Today we live like animals, and its called a Dog eat dog
    world..uh...So I will strongly say that our ancestors were much much
    gerater than we are and I belive it. Am not forcing you to belive it.
    And this is not the forum again to discuss, and this arguement will go
    on for ever.

    So let me conclude.

    Satish

    >I am against the ´´ Oh Arjuna used the
    > Brahmastra which could cause universal destruction and hence we can
    conclude
    > that the ancients knew about nuclear weapons since the Brahmastra
    really was
    > a nuke ´ Hope you see where I am coming from.
    >
    >
    > Cheers,
    >
    > Arun
    >
  • Dear Satish,

    That argument was very similar to George W. Bushś viz, there is NO proof
    that Iraq does NOT have WMD and hence they must have WMD. That is circuitous
    logic. The burden of proof lies on us. Sure we can believe anything we want,
    but to convince people we have GOT to have proof. Anyway, like you said,
    these are two varying views and this might not be the forum to go into this
    :) Although I think the members of this forum wont mind if we carried this
    on *grin*

    CHeers,

    Arun

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